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We the tell him the it's fair. and he's going to be received objectively. continued to say he wants to carve out a way in which he can testify. is there a situation under which trump's team is going to tell him this is going to be fair given what trump has said about >> he can tell him that, but it won't satiate the president of the united states, undermine the crede bability and call this a witch hunt and call out mueller. you're seeing these caveats and. we'd tlik talk to you if only you can makerantees to us. gash tees that no other defendant, subject, target or witness will get. you have t...

It's nothing we're talking about right now. if cohen is right, that some of what michael avenatti is wrong, what does this do to his credibility? john? >> sorry. i didn't know it was to me. happy to respopd to that. i don't think it's going to do a lot to his crede bability. we don't know what his source was. it could have been a subpoena in a civil suit. it could have been as he intimated in a number of interview, he's get iting information leaked to him. so it could have come from a bank employee. it could have come from a treasury department employee. so i, you know, and it was his source m...

The court of public opinion, this doesn't look good to take the fifth. the president is smart to find out too much when it leaks to him. >> john, you know giuliani, now a lawyer for trump, has met with mueller and apparently, make in his argument. talking about the interview with the special counsel. will he succeed where all others have failed? >> not going to bring in a crystal ball and predict success or failure, but this is one of the argument frs bringing hue dionne the team is his deep relationship with robert mueller. fbi director when rue di was mayor. they've known each other decades....

Him to say he goes, i go. the president of the united states wanted you to go. it's almost a blessing in disguise for the president. but remember, there's been a fissionuation and asunlgs that the department of justice has been solely focusing on the russia collusion investigation. the dea, the atf, he oversees the bureau of prisons, the day-to-day operations, the idea he would be somebody who's been pivotal in cybersecurity and fo pharmaceutical companies. in that respect, it would throw the doj into chaos and undermine the crede bability of jeff sessions to control this very powerful agency....

Campaign and i urge him to read or reread a july defense intelligence agency report that talks about how russia views the information domain as strategically decisive and that they're using psychological operations to confuse their intended audience. in this case, the united states. we know that kremlin-backed twitter accounts attacks the crede bability of the fbi and now, we have the president of the united states doing exactly the same thing. he's making the russian's job a lot easier. >> david, i want you to weigh in. >> i agree with what jeffrey was saying about just how unprecedented this...