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He testified to in the congress really is problematic. there may be some explanation i have not thought of, yet. if it's out there is not apparent to me at the moment. that gets back to the basic question. the democrats have decided to own this witness. this is their first and best foot forward. they are dealing with someone who obviously, to say the least, has credibility problems. now what we find out is what ken starr mentioned in the clip you just ran, there is a question about fairness. i'm not questioning the fact that is appropriate for members of congress to have sessions with the witn...

Quiet, that is still obstruction of justs. >> he said under oath before the oversight committee that at no point did he eask for a pardon and his lawyer says well with, he did send his attorneys to inquire about a pardon shortly after the raid. people are saying look, we knew he had credibility problems. this calls into question his testimony? >> i know the abser and when our transcript comes out, it will answer this. this is cleared up very clearly from his testimony as to what he mernt by that in a way that i think most americans will understand. remember, he lied on behalf of the president....

And michael cohen figured that out and that's why he has come forward. whether he pardons him or not, if he's trying to keep him quiet, that is still obstruction of justs. >> he said under oath before the oversight committee that at no point did he eask for a pardon and his lawyer says well with, he did send his attorneys to inquire about a pardon shortly after the raid. people are saying look, we knew he had credibility problems. this calls into question his testimony? >> i know the abser and when our transcript comes out, it will answer this. this is cleared up very clearly from his testimon...

Institutionally and the credibility problems. now you have american jews who have typically voted for democrats, really having to make this decision about, do we continue to support this party if they can't even say that anti-semitism is bad. i disagree with what nancy pelosi said there that it's not about her, meaning congresswoman omar. because this initially started like six weeks ago when she first got sworn in. if they would have nipped it in the bud then, they wouldn't be having this problem now. >> jesse: can i say something? remember when nancy came in and they said nancy was going to ...

>> you're welcome. >> charles: so is michael cohen in more legal trouble or not? andrew mccarthy is with us. i mean, sounds like it, that he purgered himself again, andrew. >> yeah, i wouldn't have guessed that he would have more credibility problems, charles, after his testimony than before. we knew that going in he had not only a well-deserved reputation for not being trustworthy, he pled guilty to fraud and lying. seems like he only finished testifying five minutes ago and now this is the latest. two or three times involving things that he said in his testimony that turns out that just a li...