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Republican allies and part of the reason jim jordan was moved to the house intelligence committee specifically so he could participate in these moments is because he's one of the few republican members of congress who will really go all out to defend the president. >> even he didn't do that yesterday, gene. he went into what -- and i don't blame him. it's easier to mount the don't impeach him defense than it is the this was appropriate defense. >> right. because it wasn't appropriate. >> yes. >> you cannot credibly say, well, he didn't do it. definitely looks like he did it and you can't say t...

Clean this mess up saying that they respect mccain's service and that they're praying for him. how much of this is environment? and where is it okay and when is it okay -- why would it be okay to say something like this? i don't know, does that come from the president? >> well, never. and sarah made the essential point that, remember -- >> i'll ask you, because he said i like those who are not captured. that's sort of in that vein, right? go on, i'm sorry. >> never apologize. i think sarah made that essential point that the tone is set from the top. i noticed a lot of people calling for trump ...

It okay -- why would it be okay to say something like this? i don't know, does that come from the president? >> well, never. and sarah made the essential point that, remember -- >> i'll ask you, because he said i like those who are not captured. that's sort of in that vein, right? go on, i'm sorry. >> never apologize. scary made the essential point the tone is set from the top. i noticed a lot of people calling for trump to fire this aide who works on the communications shop. she's not the most senior person at the white house. i thought, well, what grounds would donald trump have for firing h...

Take it. it is they sent a signal saying why don't you collect more stuff like this because we think it's okay to take it. >> can the white house credibly say, no, we're not going to hand over e-mails and servers and cell phones and text messages if donald trump jr. says i don't want to -- i'm just putting out those four pages. you are not getting anything. can they credibly say that? it seems to me once these e-mails are out, it opens up the universe to all these other things. >> you can't say no to war rent or a subpoena. so no. they're not going to be able to say no to forces more powerful ...

Paul: right, exactly. i don't think you can say just on its face credibly say, look, i can investigate this body that i ran for 12 years. it's very hard to do. >> right. the fbi is now an issue in this investigation. it's not just did they use this. at one point they were trying to put christopher steele on the payroll. and the question is, why? how does, how do you go from being an opposition research person for one campaign to a paid fbi agent, fbi informant or something with information? so the fbi question is sort of coming to the surface higher than many of the other questions in terms of...