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The i think they did it effectively. i think the defendants, all three, will be convicted. >> okay. so now let's talk about the defense. >> all three attorneys out of the mcmichaels acknowledged the past racist language. but they argued they didn't kill him because of his race. they didn't use slurred that day. they don't believe to hate groups. they were worried about neighborhood security. how -- is that a strong defense? >> i think the defense did what they had to do and the options to them, don, legally. what do i mean? they had to make that argument. there was a crime being committed. the...

Steroids. because he is playing race to kill objectivity with the crime being in new york. reporters keep reporting on his failures. because he is a complete failure. what? okay, i will ask the same question. america is and tired of democrat mayors like him and lori lightfoot when crime is abundant of playing the race card. don't buy it. >> sean: curtis, you ran on a platform to refund, not defined, refund the police. they cut a billion dollars from the l.a.p.d. budget. i give you a lot of credit. you went into the arena in a city that democrats outnumber republicans 9-1. you got to nearly 36%...

Should resonate with this jury. i just think she did an outstanding job of really shooting down this theory that there was some reliance on citizens arrest or even that law, that affirmative defense applies in this case. she made it very clear these defendants had no knowledge of -- immediate knowledge of a crime being committed. no crime occurred in their presence. therefore, citizens arrest doesn't apply. if you don't have citizens arrest, you don't get to self-defense. >> shan, this jury has to consider three different men. three different roles in the killing. each facing nine charges. i h...

Citizens arrest, you don't get to self-defense. >> on that question, because that was also central to the prosecutor, linda dunikoski's closing argument here. she described the standard for citizens arrest as requiring a crime committed in your presence, which she says is not met in this case organization that you had immediate knowledge of a crime being committed. she said this case doesn't meet that standard. there was a moment when the defense lawyer jumped up and said, wait, the prosecutor is not accurately describing the citizens arrest law. you're a lour. who was describing it correctly?...

Citizens arrest and self-defense. the prosecution in the case has done an outstanding job of nully fiing both of those arguments. no testimony on the part of travis mcmichael that he intended to arrest ahmaud arbery. no knowledge that ahmaud committed any crime at the day -- on the day this shooting occurred. that pretty much nullifies any notion of a citizens arrest which requires you to have knowledge or witness a crime being committed. so i don't think we're going to see the same outcome in this case as we saw in rittenhouse. >> areva, this is a kind of an interesting situation where arbery...