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As it says, as preet was telling you, very clearly, for the first time, to stage the release of stolen documents to interfere with the 2016 u.s. presidential election. >> and to sew dissent here in the united states. which clearly, which clearly was their objectobjective. on that front, jeffrey, mission accomplished, as well. >> and who was encouraging this crime to take place? >> yeah. >> who was encouraging russia to keep stealing these e-mails in violation of the law? donald trump. candidate donald trump. now, i don't think encouraging someone to violate the law -- in fact, i know encouragi...

Seeking foreign help which can be a crime itself. they immediately tried to get away from it being literal. you as a journalist pressed him at the time. those questions obviously proved prescient and perhaps you were triggering him. he tried to say people raising those questions were, quote, trying to help his opponent. that's not what today's indictment says. it says that people who worked for vladimir putin's military were trying to interfere in the election to help donald trump. this is a huge sweeping change in what's been charged. everything up to this point involves putting pieces togeth...

Evidence to support that. we're at a point now where there's not a factual hook they can go on. when they talk about spies in the campaign, there was a foreman who was around the campaign, here this was just made up. i don't know any fact that they could point to that will get you close to the idea of somebody being framed. that's a crime itself of framing someone of a crime. they're using the man who served this country of economying a crime. >> the claim was pushed back on as planting a spy in the campaign. do you think that's significant? >> i do. >> can we take a step back -- can we take a...

He knows that's not true but he's got to say what he has to say. i don't think anyone believes that, there's no evidence to suggest that and it's irresponsible. he's saying it in a foreign country in front of our allies. >> i got to pushback on you on that. there are a lot of folks out there who believe it. lot of trump supporters. the diehard trump base. a lot of them are believing. if you watch the channel that's voted to the president, they believe it. >> you know, i have a lot of my family members who watch that television is voted for trump, but i will tell you there's no evidence to supp...

Saying if they had not gone in the way they did with the search warrants, they have concern that evidence would be destroyed. i mean, that's a crime itself. >> yeah. >> that's a significant development here. the other thing we've learned that michael cohen was under surveillance already by the fbi. they had covert surveillance on him with his e-mails where they found some indications that his only client was the president donald trump. there's a lot of argument that is going on. in court behind me today and we're going back in at 4:00 because the judge wants to know exactly that question. what...