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He was a mayor. yes, he did rally the country and the city to some degree after 9/11. that's not foreign policy. he has now been a security consultant dealing with terrorism, i guess, homeland security. is there anything in his record that actually shows that he has dealt with the panply of issues that you have to deal with as secretary of state, especially when you have a president who is as ill informed as donald trump and desperately needs somebody who has that background? >> margaret? >> peter raises a fair point that republicans are raising now, too. the "national review" is saying as muc...

Other classic republican support i think it's clear absent there being some real criminal misdoing or something that looks so bad it will retard his efforts, he's going to take his chances and be unconventional. >> it is interesting how it seemed that -- how important loyalty is to donald trump. >> yes. >> we've seen this time and time again. we learned this on the campaign trail. we're seeing it. rudy giuliani was an early backer of donald trump. and part of any transition is rewarding those people who have been loyal, whether it's -- >> that's right. >> good or not. >> there is nothing unusu...