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Had not shown the bona fide db to be the ultimate conservative that trump wanted, that his base wanted, and conservatives say they want to overturn roe as well as to maintain conservatism on the court for the next three or four decades. >> that was separate but equal, right. >> yes. >> understood. i get smarter when i listen to you on constitutional issues. i heard you earlier saying that he believes it's settled law, which some take as him saying he's going to challenge it. >> saying a supreme court press sent is settled law is not saying much at all. keep in mind abortion is going to be key ...

Maybe even more. >> amy, of course a lot of this are red state democrats, democrats facing re-election in states that trump won. heidi heitkamp, north dakota. joe donnelly, indiana. is that -- do you think that's an accurate prediction on senator graham's party? >> i think so. it'll be interesting to see mostly how these two republicans vote. if susan collins and lisa murkowski actually do support -- because i think the democratic strategy right now is to focus on abortion, focus on roe versus wade. if they can make the point, if they can scare these two senators into thinking, you know, that ...

Right conservative and more liberal justices. kavanaugh more cut from the traditional conservative cloth. is it correct to say that this turns the court to the right for many years to come? >> definitely. i mean, if he is confirmed, not only does it turn it to the right, it turns it to the far right. at this moment, justice clarence thomas is the most conservative justice on the court. however, when we talk about justice kennedy, there were things that he did with social justice, for example voting rights and others, that would make him a right-sided candidate. however, kavanaugh goes far righ...