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Dr. Johnson-Freese served as Chair of the National Security Affairs Department from 2002-2010.

As it is. why weren't they talking to each other? >> a lot of this speaks to the enormity of what the investigation has become. certainly from an investigatory perspective is the number of agencies coordinating all at once on a global basis. >> agencies that don't normally work with each other, right? >> exactly. and part of our reporting, we spoke to a former ambassador to malaysia and spoke to the fact that the way that the intergovernmental and cooperation is not up to the same part that we've come to expect. >> that term even must be something unfamiliar. but is that -- is there a history ...