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Right there. i'm joined by msnbc international correspondent. steve, would that by the most troubling thing if you're in trump's corner? >> if you break it down on that race, gender, education line, there really is one group there with trump strongly that was there with him in 2016, white men without a college degree. in our nbc news poll here, he's winning them over this perspective democrat by about 45 points, but every other group to some degree is now with the democrat in this matchup. >> is there any cross tab to explain why the women have shifted and the men have stuck? the working guys,...

President. that would seem to be, to use your word, daunting. that's an uphill climb. does that not worry you? >> it does. but i think that there's an interesting cross tab to that poll that a lot of people brought up yesterday as they traveled across new hampshire. and that was in that same poll about half of those people believe that the president ought to be challenged. and these are republican voters. so, yeah, they're solidly behind the president absent any other choice. but what half of those folks have said is they'd like to have another choice. >> states, as you know, have so far been ...

You brought up the quinnipiac poll, and general used the word fringe candidate, which i don't think any of us want to use. >> fringe as in the side of the stage, people are struggling with how to refer to the 19 candidates who aren't at 2% in the polls, here, michael. there are a lot of people. we talk about this being the biggest field ever, but the voters don't seem to be looking at it that way. >> there's a cross tab in the numbers that's not on the screen but 51% of democrats say they regard joe biden as the strongest challenger for president trump, and that's why i go back to the thought ...

President trump. any time someone's running for office, we have 20, 21 candidates running. this is much more of a derby race. someone will come out of the pack and excite the base. the challenge is how you do that, but position yourself to win the general election. >> who excites you more, between that camp? >> well, there are -- like joe biden, i think his level of stability and experience excites people. you have other candidates out there that are blowing it off the charts in terms of ideas and plans. listen, there are a bunch of good candidates that are in this race, in these debates, they...

Vote, but that's not how we elect presidents. those blue wall numbers you just saw do signal some serious weakness. the question is, who will democrats nominate and will they be able to successfully appeal to those voters who are disenfranchised, disillusioned, rather, with the president's job. in gallup polling, you have 69% of americans who suspected next year they'll be better off than they were this year. so you can look at it half glass empty, but if you look at the economy that are still low in those states, it definitely indicates a weakness heading into the campaign. >> i just want to ...