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Would they have as to why they're going down this path? beyond crowdstrike, the u.s. intelligence community, senator intelligence committee chaired by republicans concluded with confidence it was russia and russia alone. what excuse do they have for this? >> they have not offered a very good excuse. and, you know, let me also point out that the idea that crowdstrike sent a server, the dnc server to ukraine is just a dumb theory, to be honest, because 100 something servers at the dnc that were compromised. it was not just one server, okay? so the idea that crowdstrike sent one server to ukraine...

Conspiracy theory itself is russian propaganda. >> some of you on this committee appear to believe that russia and its security services did not conduct a campaign against our country and that perhaps, somehow, for some reason, ukraine did. this is a fictional narrative that is being perpetrated and propulgated by the russian security services themselves. >> that's right. russian propaganda. i wrote a book about russian interference and other aggression "the shadow war," how many digital fingerprints tied the act to russia, well-known to u.s. intelligence, as a former top nsa official told me ...

Chinese cyber espionage. it was a big report they did. i think there was a series of three or four reports where they wrote about in quite a lot of detail about just how invasive chinese cyber espionage had become in the united states. and at the time, and crowdstrike won't say this, but i know this from my own reporting. at the time, the guys who wrote this, they had named china in the report, and intel that owns mcafee was very uncomfortable with the naming of china for business reasons. part of the reason they left to go start their own company was to focus intensely on the chinese cyber es...

The july 25 telephone conversation was making that request of president zelensky to look at crowd strike. where he holds such sway over those type of republican voters who come out in closed primaries. that's really the rub of this. >> it is interesting because the bad but not impeachable argument is one thing. what we just heard from john kennedy was another which is the facts that we're being told aren't, in fact, the facts. and it does harken to a quote from a former republican president that i imagine you're fond of. teddy roosevelt said once -- and i'm going to read the quote. to announce...

And did ukraine hack the national democratic committee, the dnc or other democratic targets? the conspiracy theory that you often hear claims that something is wrong with the server, the dnc server and that somehow ukraine hacked it, and that is simply completely wrong. what is correct is that ukraine -- some ukrainians members of parliament did favor hillary clinton in 2016. but that does not mean they actually interfered in 2016. this is key important thing about disinformation. disinformation is not completely inventing something from scratch. they take something that has a kernel of truth ...