City. >> they're not going to get fixed today. if i had a kid today, which i do, where have children today in school and they went to a public school that wasn't serving their needs and i was in a position where i could send them elsewhere, shouldn't we say we want that choice for our kids? >> yes, we do want choices that are accountable and responsible, but for 25 years, the choices that betsy devos has been pursuing, there's evidence they have not worked. what they have done is further defund and destabilize public schools so when you actually ask parents throughout the country, you're right...