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Perso persona, from a company called ruben capital partners which claimed to be a firm that kind of made socially responsible investments. and my wife, who is mostly a stay at home mom, was volunteering at my daughter's elementary school, public charter school in washington, d.c., and the e-mail pitch was, you know, school is great, we'd love to talk to you about maybe making investments in your school. this all sounded weird, so, my wife reached out to some friends in the finance world, in the education world, nobody seemed to think this was on the level. so, my wife went back to this persona...

To it. >> do you suspect they were involved? >> i don't know. but i hope people ask -- i hope people ask them the question, because maybe it was just a coincidence that the exact same two people which seemed to be the kind of obsession of a handful of senior aides to the president at the very same time that this firm was hired to dig up dirt on those two people, maybe it's just a coincidence, but it's suspicious enough that i think people need to be asking questions. >> colin call, thank you so much for being with us. >> sure. >> so, breaking news tonight. new york governor andrew cuomo is cal...

If you were a target, how does it feel to be in the center of this all? >> well, i athink in general, i feels creepy. when you're a government official, you expect intelligence entities to spy on you. when you're a former government official, it's much weirder. it also is, you know, especially creepy with a firm and even doubly so if they are coming at you through your family. let's keep in mind, for your viewers, that they came at me through my wife doing volunteer work at my 6-year-old daughter's public elementary school in washington, d.c. that's pretty scummy. and that may happen in the bu...

This happened. >> so, at this point, we should point out that black cube has denied involvement, and that no connection with the white house has been made, but, and this is a big but you say, again, the timing of comments made by trump officials tells you something. >> yeah, i mean, first thing, your -- the folks watching should know that the black cube denial is not really a denial. they said, they don't talk about who hires them. but they, you know, they weren't hired by the trump administration. what is weird, what kind of got my spider sense tingling, last spring, a number of trump aides s...

Deal. he joins me now. so, colin, can you just walk us through exactly what happened? because from what i understand, you were a target of this operation through some kind of a company trying to get at you through your wife? >> yeah, it's very odd. let's back up just a bit. about a week ago, i was contacted by reporters from the observer and guardian, who said that in the course of their investigation into cambridge analytica, they came across information suggesting that trump aides had hired an israeli intel firm to dig up dirt on me and ben rhoads in an effort to discredit the iran deal and ...