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And you cannot come off as carrying torches to the castle. this is extraordinarily serious. i do believe the president has abused his powers. but i also believe in the process. >> let me ask you this, then. because considering that speaker pelosi has said the president, president trump is ethically, intellectually, and curiosity wise unfit for office. if evidence does exist of wrongdoing why keep someone like that in office if you believe all those things? >> well, you're very, very close to an extraordinarily large addition in my mind of evidence toward that end. and that's special counsel's ...

Pelosi, "all of the above, no no, i don't think he is, i mean, ethically unfit, intellectually, unfit, curiosity wise, unfit. no, i don't think he's fit to be president of the united states." pretty scathing. >> she's not backing down on her criticism of trump. i mean, further on in the interview, she made the point which i felt was funny, she said, look, he's just not worth it. >> yeah. >> he's not worth the political turmoil that it would cost the country and, perhaps, the democratic party, and the congress in a country that is already so divided and exhausted by everything we've been going ...