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The case at all. as a matter of fact, i think we can reach an agreement. as i told you, you might be aware, you have seen it, we have provided for a proposal that would cut a trillion dollars off of the baseline spent from the year before, by just agreeing to deal with what was initially offered. secondly, we are in a situation where the let me put it this way, if you were all doing your budget at home and said okay, we have to make some cuts. will you only look at the spending, or also look at your income? what was coming in the door to determine what you can afford? so part of what i've been...

>> no. i don't believe that's the case at all. as a matter of fact, i think that we can reach an agreement as i have told you, and you may be are aware, you have seen it. we have provided for a proposal that would cut a $1 trillion off the baseline spent from the year before by just agreeing to deal with what was initially offered. and secondly, we're in a situation where the -- let me put it this way. if you all were doing your budget at home and you said, okay, we have to make some cuts, would you only look at the spending? would you also look at your income? what was coming in the door to d...

Show their planned. that is what they did last, week they passed their own plan which would increase the debt ceiling as well as hold a spending at fiscal 2022 levels. which means for everyone at home, that they are cutting spending. that is something that mccarthy was able to unite's conference around. that was a huge leap of faith, it was a huge gamble for mccarthy and his leadership displayed everyone, we are going to say that we are going to vote on this and we are actually going to get the votes. remember, mccarthy has such a narrow margin that he could only afford to lose for republicans...

Model. but even when steve was having tax cuts he thought it would pay for itself and we had to trillion dollar deficit and he would like to redo those models. i just had to put that in all models. with all that said, i don't think that we should have a debt ceiling negotiation just like we did not under 18 times with reagan or three times with donald trump, you have to pay for your bills and make sure that the full faith and credit of the nation stays. >> martha: but i want to ask you something, i get what you are saying, but there is never ever a moment when we can talk about cutting spendin...

This is a good starleting point. i'm interested to see the conversations about cutting spending, not just raising taxes. >> always appreciate your perspectives thank you for being with us. >> open invitation for the podcast. >> i would love to join. thank you. still ahead, millions remain under flood warnings this morning as parts of california are drenched by round after round of storms. the damage left behind and where we're tracking the threat for severe storms this weekend. and the bodies of two americans killed in mexico are back in the u.s. as we're learning more about what happened ...