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Were text and saying all these things that implicated them, they got jobs at cnn and msnbc. >> we had the conversation. we don't need to belabor it. we had a conversation about what the casual person, what the casual observer takes from not just the investigations into president trump but also into joe biden. i think it's hard -- it's important to look into what does the casual person think because they wield so much power. they show up for every four year cycle vote and i think the casual observer focuses on their home, family, church and business and they don't live day-to-day with politics ...

Ruling. however it does infiltrate, does it not? >> i'm a recovering lawyer like you are. i think we both know that has an impact. it has an impact in terms of overall context and debate and how ultimately some courts are going to think about it. i don't want to discount the legislative effort we can build up to repeal. part is getting folks on the record. part of that is making democrats up for reelection this cycle vote on repeal directly. >> greta: i hear that from the republicans in the senate. i don't see it. i look at the numbers and i think it is just talk and chatter and wishful thinki...

States or one state in the ruling. however it does infiltrate, does it not? >> i'm a recovering lawyer like you are. i think we both know that has an impact. it has an impact in terms of overall context and debate and how ultimately some courts are going to think about it. i don't want to discount the legislative effort we can build up to repeal. part is getting folks on the record. part of that is making democrats up for reelection this cycle vote on repeal directly. >> greta: i hear that from the republicans in the senate. i don't see it. i look at the numbers and i think it is just talk and...