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America", da in a, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me, wolf. >> what shocked you the most after the two-year investigation? >> well, really, two things. one was just the sheer sites. we had a feeling that things had grown bigger. that's why we undertook this. but i guess that -- in the end, i was surprised with how big it's grown. we counted about 1900 contractors, large companies, mainly, doing this work. and another 1300 government organizations that work in the general area of counterintelligence, about a quarter of each of those are completely new after 9/11. many, many of them...

Today. >> unfortunate that something as important as the senate's consideration of a treaty like this one was truncated in order to meet an arbitrary deadline or the wish list of the liberal base. and it's deeply troubling to think that the legislative body of responsibility would be deprived of this role would inconvenienveenconvenience part >> is there no shame with the arguments made on the floor of the united states senate? just say it, say it or not. go out there, repeat it. it will stick. in the right wing blogosphere or somewhere else. people will get agitated. this treaty is on the flo...