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It's the women that are often walking five and six hours a day, breaking their backs with dirty water. >> it contributes to a lot of gender inequality. >> absolutely. i have been to 69 countries now. i have never seen many with water. >> you have never -- >> it's the role of the women and the girls whether africa or central and south america. it's the women and the girls that are the ones struggling to provide water for their families. it puts them in the most undignified and at risk situations. >> it's a pretty remarkable story. it's in his new book "thirst." you can hear that conversation on...

Within his power legally to make sure those folks got paid, and we were able to do that. we were able to move money around legally, and presidents have the ability to do that. this president has the ability to do that as well in other areas and we will explore opportunities to do that. i don't think that excuses what president obama did on the daca decision several years ago. >> but do you think that president trump should use emergency powers to fund the border wall? >> presidents have authority to defend the nation. the president has asked every single cabinet secretary and the office of man...

Money. >> he may be thinking that. but again, i think the president likes this issue. i really do. i think he thinks it works for him politically, helps him with his core base of supporters and so i don't think he minds this fight. he'll have the fight -- he'll fight on this for -- paul: he just fought over the caravan for a month before the election and that was what he campaigned on. they lost 40 house seats. how is it working for him? >> especially orange county in california which should have gone his way if his immigration policies were really popular. i think he may think he has an eace ...

Wall after the midterms? >> right. >> do conservatives want the money for the wall? >> yes, i do. i want 25 billion and not 5 billion. we have to deal with daca and we will. trump will win in court. we can over turn president obama's daca decision. we have to deal with those effected by it. this is about 70% of funding for the government. if we can pull that off it will be the first time we have done that in 30 years. we will get a pay raise and that would be a huge accomplishment. we'll get wall money but it's not smart to shut the government down. >> we'll leave it there. good to see you thi...

Obama-era initiative that allowed more than 700,000 young people known as dreamers to avoid deportation. joining us is jonathan alter, columnist for "the daily beast" and msnbc political analyst. michael thomasski, special correspondent for "the daily beast" and the president of the center for american progress. she was hillary clinton's policy director during the 2008 presidential campaign. welcome to all of you. thank you for being with us. not just on a friday night, but a holiday friday night. there's a lot to deal with here. nira, let's start with this. the daca decision, things are not g...