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That is why it is good we're having this conference committee to try to do that. again maybe then we can get into a step by step process to address a number of these issues. >> how do you define amnesty? >> well, allowing people to, in essence, come to the country and not following the rules and requirements of coming here legally. so that is something that we have to do is make sure that is addressed in a way where people feel it is not amnesty. >> do you believe -- the problem with the word is, as you know, that is why i asked you for a basic definition. some people think that what you suppo...

Past. and more importantly, i think, at least for me, is achieving border security is the key that unlocks the door to doing other things on immigration he's expressed a willingness to do. the extension of tps, deal with the daca population. i believe he's willing to do something reasonable with people who have been here a long time, unlawfully, but are not criminals. all that is being held up by the inability to get agreement on border security, which the president campaigned on. i hope people separate the tactics from the policy because i think the policy is reasonable and solid. >> but as y...

From the deal for 25 billion, remember that? >> i do. >> and permanent protection for dreamers. now it seems like both democrats and republicans are going to get way less than what they wanted back then. >> that's fair, poppy. but let's just be clear on what exactly that offer was. there was 25 billion and i think democrats said they supported the wall going back. that offer as well wasn't just the daca population. it extended to those who were parents of the daca population and those who could have applied but didn't. all of a sudden that number was ballooning much beyond the daca population....

I think the fact that tps is included is important. the tps population is similar to the daca population. some of these individuals have been in the united states for 18, 19, 20 years u and they do did he ne deserve a permanent solution. hoping they will at least consider making a counterproposal, a counteroffer to the president, perhaps that would deliver permanent protections for daca recipients and the tps population. >> but you're already hearing from people like ann coulter and i'm sure we're going to hear from some conservative republicans saying this is amnesty, and there she is. trump ...

Comprehensive. i'll just read one line. undocumented immigration does not increase violence. rather the violence crime is generally negative. he's quoting something that isn't even true. what do you make of what he had to say today? >> joy, i do think the president could have done more to acknowledge those workers down here in miami. the tsa agents at miami airport, the airport had an event for them the other day to give them lunch, essentially, because a lot of the people are struggling. the president could have done more to acknowledge the people. i will say, for a long time, it's been obvio...