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Regrettably, but the tonight went on the record saying that he did want to compromise, that he did want a deal. for weeks now, chris, many of us have known the obvious out, the obvious solution for the current drama and this shutdown crisis, which, by the way, the president should own because he said he would own back at that meeting in the white house last year. however, i think most people in the country want to see us emerge from this, get out of this. and the obvious way out where both sides can save face, chris, is a permanent protection for the daca population. we had 1.8 million in the ...

More, a brick and mortar wall? i think the daca solution is very positive. >> charlie do you see it's a matter of semantics, you know, arguing over, you know, how to define border security? is it barriers, is it wall, is it technology? is that the fine tuning that is standing in the way of coming to a deal? >> well, it seems like we're at the point where there can be real negotiation. look, i've said all a long the way out of this thing is to reopen the government and then simply negotiation probably $2 billion to $3 billion at the end of the day for border security. now define that. border ag...

The issue? >> the president's previous remarks did not move the needle very much at all. we saw polling that only about 2% of americans changed their opinion after the president took the extraordinary step of having a primetime oval office address to the nation in saying that we had a national security crisis on the southern border. now we're expecting the president to do something different and offer democrats a little bit of an olive branch about how to end this long running government shutdown and offering them something that will potentially bring them back to the table but we're already s...

To say today? >> joy, i do think the president could have done more to acknowledge those workers. down here at -- in miami the tsa agents at miami international airport, the airport had an event for them the other day to give them lunch, essentially, because a lot of them are struggling. so the president could have done more to acknowledge those people. i will say, joy, for a long time has t has been obvious that the only way out of this showdown is a compromise that includes two major comments. number one, increased border security and number two a solution for the daca population. i do think...

>> john. >> you were talking about how you were in the room and democrats pushed back on refused requests for additional judges and beds. but it seems only nine or so months ago the democrats were willing to offer significantly more money for border security, roughly 5 billion it was reported, in exchange for deals on the dreamers. the broader vision of immigration reform. is that true? have they -- did they offer that amount? and, is there still that possibility for a broader deal that could give us a win for the nation and a way out of the shutdown? >> john, i think that would be terrific if...