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>> there is a chance they will listen. what the majority leader has seized on in the reality inside the democratic caucus right now which is, this is very complicated. on the outside you have a tremendous amount of pressure from activists, from outside democratic groups saying, this is the moment to fight. this is the moment to have the shutdown battle because daca is an issue like they feel they're going to win on. then you have mcconnell who is flat out saying on the senate floor, if you shut down the government over illegal immigration and you've gotten ten senate democrats up for re-electi...

>> interesting. randy, you say you want paul ryan's seat. i have to ask you, if you were in congress right now, would you shut down the government over this immigration and daca issue? >> well, i think we need to look at this. who are the adults? we're talking about kids. not just that but chip funding. let's look after our kids. it should be a completely separate issue. it should be something that why are we holding our kids hostage? i'm so disappointed in congress and the president and especially in paul ryan where he's trying to lead his caucus. what are they thinking? these are kids. let's...

Democratic votes. that means during the course of the next 36 to 48 hours, there are a lot of serious adecisions that need to be made before friday night. >> for the government not to shut down over immigration legislation, is there any chance democrats will listen, and are they to blame, really? >> there is a chance they will listen. what the majority leader has seized on in the reality inside the democratic caucus right now which is, this is very complicated. on the outside you have a tremendous amount of pressure from activists, from outside democratic groups saying, this is the moment to f...

The deportation of the d.r.e.a.m.ers which is what will happen if they agree to a long-term funding deal without protections for the d.r.e.a.m.ers under the daca program. >> look, i think when you have the parties that can't fully agree on something, which they can't do on daca right now, i've lived through a lot of government shutdowns. i've been watching for 30 years. i remember when the government shut down under reagan, under clinton, under bush, and i've got to say, i think governments are making a big political mistake here if they basically -- look, the party that gets blamed for a shut...

He doesn't say the perfect thing. so they're saying it doesn't really matter. his promises don't really matter. >> well, i mean, if you just look around the country, look what happened to virginia, the wave that hit there. look at alabama, one of the reddest states in the country. just tonight we had a special election in wisconsin. one of the reddest counties in the entire state went blue. it was like a 25% swing over. and scott walker, there were two open seats coming up in wisconsin. he decided to hold off and not have those elections, and i wonder if the wave that's going to come has anyth...