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The democrats would be more focused on helping the country and more less focused on stopping the president. congressman horn who will make the oklahoma city seat. do you think obama wants a boardwalk which if democrats will support what they supported a few years ago. negotiations are happening? that's all good but as mark said, i did not think they are serious about it. they are not serious until joe cunningham in that seat and congressman horn in that seat, andy andy >> she's a former cia agent. she takes security seriously which i do not doubt she does. in terms of this argument about the d...

Do you agree with that? >> obviously not. we are talking about a partial shutdown. we are talking about day 20 right now. what this comes down to is the democrats have not been negotiating. they offered zero money for the wall day one for the wall. they are offering zero money today for any border -- b1 do you think they will change their tune on that? >> i was hopeful that they will. if you can find one democrat -- >> martha: saying not that we are against border security... >> but they are, martha. i get that, but you've heard the rhetoric before. i can tell you that when you look in the eye...

I've been more on the phone with senator graham than really anyone else. he's had a lot of thoughtful conversations with some of the senators. even with that, he put partial daca, in exchange for border barrier funding. and dick durbin says, it's going to cost you a lot more than that. >> martha: even if they do that, they aren't going to -- but i'm asking you, because you guys have been very much against that. are you telling the president, daca is a nonstarter? >> i think when you look at a pathway to citizenship, can we do something on those and how it's constructed. but i think a lot of it...

>> everyone recognizes border security is an issue. but what we want, what we are arguing for, and where i feel very strongly, is you cannot use the government's functions as a bargaining chip. we should have this debate. we should have exactly what they are talking about, the debate around daca, the debate around tcp s recipients, what border security is right for our -- >> martha: what do you say to those who say we know how the story ends. if you don't bundle it, it doesn't force anyone at the table and it never, ever happens as we've seen for decades. >> for me, that's a failure of governa...

Clinton won. so do you think that a deal on immigration like a daca trade for border security of the kind that looked like it was coming together, would that be helping republicans now? >> it would help tremendously if you think of steve, carlos carbello in florida, improved their chances of holding those seats. paul: i remember eric paulson, came to see us and he said it sure would and he's in a tough race. dan, what do you think? >> well, i think this immigration is becoming a liability for democrats. oh, yeah, i think that donald trump did not create this 4,000 person honduran caravan comin...