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Banana. i mean, it's one banana, michael. what could it cost, $10? >> you never actually set foot in a super market, have you? >> you assumed the audience was as smart as the writers. >> what have you got there? don't be afraid to make -- eye not going to beat myself up over that. >> it was so clever. and more meta than just about any show that's ever been on television. >> your average male is in perpetual state of adolescence. >> that's the show. >> you could break all these rules and have a lot of characters on a comedy who were extremely unlikable. ♪ ♪ >> there are a lot more important...

Which is a network problem. >> i think hbo altered everything for this reason alone, there were no commercials. >> we are dependent on sponsors. there is scotch we can do in terms of language, in terms of violence and in terms of sex. >> to a large degree executives were sanding off the edges of what was interesting. >> i think hbo is looking at the world and going, okay, how can we matter? for quite a long time, movies and boxing were the bread and butter of hbo. >> people watch a show because you're partly [ bleep ]. >> and i think what we've learned through shows like larry sanders show, or...

Volunteerism and sacrifice, both saved the world and were forever changed by what they did. >> a lot of those veterans were still alive, so we got to meet them. we got to talk to them. >> i've seen my friends, my men being killed. and it doesn't take too many days of that and you change dramatically. >> the show premiered september 9, 2001. two days later, everything changes. people were concerned, should we stop airing it? because it's a war story, and now the country is at war again. >> it turned out to be something that was necessary because now almost every american, i think, felt as thoug...

Episode to think that maybe the bad thing will not happen to this person. but then the show wouldn't be the show. >> i'm going to stay in dylan. i'm going to be a father to this baby and to this family. i am going to coach high school foot ball and you and i are going to stay together. and that's the way it is. yes? >> no. >> what do you mean no? >> you've got to go to austin. this is your dream. >> that's what i'm telling you. >> what we wanted it to feel like was the audience was just being invited in to a very small town, very intimate setting. >> that's why -- >> i don't want to be respons...

I've seen this show before. i've seen that movie before. >> we're talking about making a case that puts mackie behind bars a long time. >> then you get to the end of the tie lot and vick shoots terry in the face. >> there was some thought that hbo shows did well because they had no commercials. so when a basic cable show like "the shield" that did have commercials found an audience, all 6of a sudden it just opened the door and other original programming sprung up, like nip/tuck. >> when you stop striving for perfection, you might as well be dead. >> and "rescue me." >> you son of a bench. >> a...