In the sense that they're -- the research shows that whoever is coordinating this is finding real people and building around those real people to sort of make it look like it's organic virality, as you said. >> and from that trade craft that these folks can observe, that these data scientists feel like they can map here, from that manifestation of what appears to be this organized campaign. does that lead to any attribution who may be coordinating it? >> there is no conclusive evidence right now. as someone said in our story today, it's an unholy alliance. they think there are all kinds of dif...