a former democratic campaign manager. both are cohosts of the five . how big a deal is this sphwhob. i ve known bail daley for a long time, he was chairman of the mondale campaign that i managed and he s not the kind of guy that gets pushed out. if this was going to be shakeup he d be gone. he wouldn t stay around for the sake of without being dramatic, for the sake of being in this campaign work and i really think this is what it s about, the campaign people have gotten more in mode, pluf came into the white house, his view is directed at direction, daley is policy. i think this is a big part of this. martha: put rouse is taking over those responsibilities, he was brought in as an interim person after rahm emanuel left and daley took over for pete rouse and i