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Revealed to people later today. they don't talk about collusion, but there has been damage done, would you think, yes or no, to certain institutions like the justice department, the fbi, the believe in our intelligence services? there has been damage done by this president already, do you agree with that? >> yes, and the deeper question is the corrosion of our underlying faith in our institutions whether it's the political party, media, justice department, judiciary. we americans tend to think the way things are is the way they always will be when in reality we're a 200 year anomaly in world h...

Damage to the position of moral leadership the united states needs to exercise around the world. >> do you feel -- on that last point that you're making in terms of the danger to america's moral leadership, is it essentially your argument here, and tell me if i've got this wrong, that regardless of what else we should know about gina haspel's role, essentially there's symbolic damage done, leadership damage done by just the elevation of her with this on her record. essentially, even, in that case, even the nomination of her to lead the cia would have done that kind of harm to this country. >> ...

>> yes, i think that is the appropriate response. i think things have changed today. in light of this conversation, we should have a very different conversation about president trump and a very different conversation about allegations against him. >> gillibrand's office has clarified that, you know, it was the context in which she was talking, you know, had something like this been happening today. because the climate is different now. so the office try to offer that clari clarity. but, you know, politically has there been any damage done, so to speak, especially since gillibrand benefited gre...

Now there's only damage done, we can only anticipate, the left is almost hysterical about russia's influence on donald trump. >> if you're asking me, i'm not the left. >> yeah. >> i'm myself. >> but, professor, before you respond to that, i want to get your assessment. what do you make of rex tillerson and carl's response as well? >> i think it is a man who has one value he has demonstrated in public like, which is the acquisition of fossil fuels to pump emissions into the atmosphere to make the earth increasingly uninhabitable. i see him as another pick from trump that likes people like himse...

Hammering south carolina coastal areas with heavy rained and destructive winds. storm surge a major concern and right now more than 150,000 people in that state are without power. in florida, deadly flooding has killed at least four people, and over 1 million people there remain without power. checking out st. augustine, of course, one of the historic cities in the sunshine state was hit the hardest. heavy rain has destroyed roads and flooded countless homes and cars. right to msnbc meteorologist bill karins with breaking word on matthew's intensity. what do you have for us? >> as far as damag...