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St. louis county in so they can do this. the problem in terms of change then becomes, if you want to change, chief jackson came from st. louis county. chief ikoff who is sitting here now, going to be the the acting chief. came from st. louis county. who are you going to bring in? st. louis county. that's not the change perhaps that people want. so again what i'm coming back to chris is it's not going to look like people think it's going to look. i think if you drill down into all this i think in order to really make change we're going to have to change on a much broader scale. not just ferguso...

About the way the justice department has handled everything is that he didn't point out the false narrative. they should have said simply look we've looked at this line by line. witness by witness, we've done everything we need to do and here's the unavoidable conclusion. what they should have said is you needed to have confidence in the investigation that went on. all we've heard about is a lack of confidence in policing right? we know the grand jury did what they should have done because the doj report vindicates that. they should have come out and said that. and they didn't do any of that. ...

Let the investigation work itself out. the same way they do when a community member is shot. don't put the pictures out there of the helmet with blood on it showing the evidence of the officers being shot. because when it's on our end, they tell us to wait and allow the investigation to take place. >> and that's where the hard questions come in you talk to law enforcements here. you talk to big members of this community here. they say exactly what didn't happen with michael brown. the hands up don't shoot started. when that wound up not being validated by the grand jury not validated by the do...

Doj report and anybody who has been working with the brown family this is the last thing you wanted. >> right. because, look it proves that there are deep issues leer. that the police there are risks to them in the community. that has to be addressed as well. i want to look at both aspects of the doj report. do you believe any way you can mitigate the strength of what was said about this police department? >> absolutely. we talk about the findings there were two reports. the one report said you had this pattern of discrimination and excessive force against african-americans. and they talked ab...

Wrongs don't make a right. it's not good for us to come back and not say anything. it's not good for the officers to come out and say, they had a handgun, when you haven't had the evidence to prove so it's also not good for them to say they were in the crowd, when the evidence is not there yet. let's allow the evidence to take its place. we have to look at the doj report and realize there's evidence to prove that mike brown's hands was not up. let's not repeat that by saying the same thing here he was in the crowd or saying he had a handgun. >> why do you have to draw an equivalence. that's pa...