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Finding more oil and gas here. >> dan, take a look at these new matchups now in the "new york times" poll. obama, 47. mitt romney, 44. obama, 48, santorum, 44. a couple things come out of that one is the closeness of the two matchups and secondly, the closest between the two republicans in the matchups. >> yes. i think that's right, chris, but again, i think it does go back to the fact that we have been in a period when i think some democrats have gotten a little overconfident about the prospects of november. >> i agree. >> but if you talk to the people who are running the president's campaign...

>> so true. i cannot tell the number of people not afraid of the guy. that is the scary part. people don't fear romney, because they think he is the moderate. >> fear seen more newt is the fall election would be as much, perhaps even more about them than about an incumbent facing serious challenges. >> well said. dan and jonathan, great guests. thanks so much for coming on "hardball" tonight. when we return, let me finish with how truly close this election is getting and not just on the republican side. you are watching "hardball," only on msnbc. . since ameriprise financial was founded back...

>> let me ask you, dan and then jonathan. do you think people vote on the incumbent, the pitcher who is out there or look at the choice the competence, the success of the pitcher out there the guy who is president is that the primary factor is it the choice they look at watching debates or something like that? >> well, i think in any re-election campaign, it tends to be much more about the incumbent than it does about the challenger. having said that the challenger obviously has to meet a certain threshold and everything we are going to see over the next six months is that the democrats are go...

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