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That manafort is just going to get hammered at sentencing. >> all right, laura -- >> and that means he needs a pardon worse than ever. >> jeffrey and laura, stand by. i have more questions for you coming up. i want to bring in our political panel right now. david urban, as an attorney and trump supporter, let me ask you -- >> i was a bond lawyer. not criminal defense -- >> you're the only jd at the table. do you see this as anything other than a potential signal to manafort? >> i see a lot of things. the question is -- i wasn't there for the interview. i don't know the context posed. but obvio...

Well, the attorney general now has been fired, and somebody has been placed, like i said, with hostility toward the mueller probe. we ought to be more concerned here. and i just can't understand why we aren't. so i'm ngoing to keep pushing. i have leverage with regard to judges. i voted against one just now. they had to bring the vice president in to put him over the top on a cloture vote. that vote is still not assured tomorrow. i'll also vote in committee when they bring up more than a dozen judges. i'll vote no on each one. and those won't be able to move to the floor until we have this vot...

Period of time. now, just yesterday, the press secretary, sarah sanders, said she was not aware of any conversations of any pardons happening in the west wing related to the russia investigation. but now the president is telling the "new york post" that a pardon is not off the table for paul manafort. now, you can't ignore this comment just days after the special counsel said that paul manafort had breached his plea agreement with them by lying to them repeatedly, and flash back over the summer, the president said he believed cooperating with the government ought to be illegal. so clearly he i...