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You have somebody potentially inside who knows everybody on the outside can't get in. he could have taken their time. but also it could also be the other end of the spectrum where he or she could have passed out and wasn't able to have the -- pilot wasn't in control of the aircraft. >> darell i want to bring in our panel. we were talking about this before. it is very difficult to put one's self in the mind frame of somebody who wanted to bring down a plane and to say well, they would have done it this way, we really have no idea. it's possible as you mentioned, david, somebody want have wanted...

Stunning information. evidence from the cockpit voice recorder recovered from the germanwings flight 9525. "the new york times" reporting that one of the two pilots had been locked out of the flight deck first knocking and trying to break down the cockpit door. the time citing a senior official and investigator familiar with what is on that voice recorder. whether that means the pilot inside the cockpit was trying to keep his colleague out or simply was incapacitated, we do not know. with us on the phone is former u.s. air marshal, darell joyner. what do you make of this? >> i think it's prett...