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July 16 and november 17. what does this tell you? >> it could tell you a lot. you know, i'm an expert on the kremlin and how they view the world. what i would like really like to know if i were investigating this is who specifically was responsible for changing the platform? and what were the discussions that went into it? and that's open for a lot of investigation and discussion, for sure. i would also argue that the policy that we have not pursued against russia is evidence of itself. we haven't pursued the sanctions -- >> by we, you mean the donald trump administration? >> this administrati...

Conduct whereas he's not going to be -- it could have been that vanderswan just admitted to the prosecutors because he was forced to admit all these conduct to them, that was forced to get a guilty plea. on the other hand, gates could be providing information to mueller -- >> and that could be part of it. and let me bring in maya on the conversation, mueller is vacuuming stuff up from everywhere. garrett graff says, again, the detail in this new manafort is stunning, including manafort's private communications. >> and we still don't know what donald trump's tax returns say. so obviously muelle...

More on this breaking news, bob mueller ramping up the charges on paul manafort and rick gates. many surrounding their work with the russian government. i am joined by a very special guest, the former fbi station chief daniel hoffman. i want to dig in with you on what all this means because there's a narrative in this new filing and we're all just digesting it. it really goes back to paul manafort's work with russian backed and other individuals. manafort and gates generated -- hide the income from the u.s. authorities and of course it says enjoyed using the money.

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What you think as someone who used to put people away. i asked a very simple question, i can't believe that in this case an accused criminal returned to the scene of the crime. i'm not a very experienced lawyer, but i have heard don't do that. and this person said to me, you would be amazed how many crimes are caught because of the sheer stupidity of people who know better. do you see that? and are there people who are talking as if mueller's not listening? >> particularly with manafort, greed is addictive. i saw this in my ten years of doing this. it's shocking, it's amazing how many people w...