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Bureau for three decades. he is the executive director of the council for professional associations on federal statistics. help us understand what this concern is, the fear of under counts here. the conversations that i've had, specifically in sort of mixed status families they may see this question exist on the census and say simply we're not going to participate. >> sure. so, first, i think it's really important to understand what the census is used for. so the census is used for reapportioning congress, it's used for ensuring fair districts, it's used to allocate over $600 billion a year in...

Michael hayden and his take how the current administration has changed things. >> the obama administration was more transparent about this effort than we were in the bush administration. i mean, they made this data collection activity available to all the members of congress, not just all the members of the intelligence committee. >> ari, all the members of congress, not just all the members of the intelligence committee. now that this debate is happening in the public, does the president have to communicate more with the american people and the nsa declassify a little bit of information, does...

>> it's an important point you make about the add-ons. this is former cia director michael hayden and his take how the current administration has changed things. >> frankly, the obama administration was more transparent about this effort than we were in the bush administration. i mean, they made this data collection activity available to all the members of congress, not just all the members of the intelligence committee. >> ari, all the members of congress, not just all the members of the intelligence committee. now that these leaks happened, now that this debate is happening in the public, do...