>> it's an important point you make about the add-ons. this is former cia director michael hayden and his take how the current administration has changed things. >> frankly, the obama administration was more transparent about this effort than we were in the bush administration. i mean, they made this data collection activity available to all the members of congress, not just all the members of the intelligence committee. >> ari, all the members of congress, not just all the members of the intelligence committee. now that these leaks happened, now that this debate is happening in the public, does the president have to communicate more with the american people and the nsa declassify a little bit of information, does it have to do more is that too risky? >> i think the president does need to communicate more. this is very controversial. people are divided on it. when he has people in his own base of his party like paul against it, the president needs to bring the paul begalas over