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That. >> and look, you know him, you worked with him for many years. and i've read about how buttoned up he is, how sort of straight and narrow and he follows the rule, the word of the law, the letter of the law, i should say. but, you know, this has grip the country. i mean, doesn't robert mueller, given his long history with law and order, if he were to have found that the president broke the law or someone around the president, doesn't he think that americans have a right to know that? >> well, it's a good question. and i think he is probably assessing that. the default position would be to...

Out of the hands of people who should not have them. >> how do we bridge this divide and what we've heard from the students at parkland and first of all, we just heard from this young woman and my heart breaks for her. she's never going to see her friends again but talking about more metal detectors. talking about more officers in school. when i talked to the local congressman on saturday, he said that the fact that this police officer, the school police officer, who went in and is now fighting for his life shows that the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. how do y...

This the welfare system, in the education system, and the transformation. they're not assimilating. the cuomo family is famous for being the great italian american family in new york that assimilated. mario cuomo, this is a different set of ways we're living when 20 million, 30 million people are coming in faster. that's not a boogie man. they're coming here because they're desperate for a better way of life. >> right. >> for their families. and they are not taking the jobs that the workingmen and women need. they are not keeping wages down for the workingmen and women of america. it's just no...

Territory that it controls? >> the narrative we've harder out of washington and capitals in europe as isis' caliphate is shrinking and coming under pressure that they're going to wash out. that sound like it makes sense, unfortunately the data doesn't back it up because the first attempted attacks in europe were by fighters who left iraq and syria long before air strikes began. there have been so many foiled attacks before then, and in the very declaration of the caliphate, the spokesman of isis spoke about targeting the rest. so in my opinion these two objectivities, holding ground, governing...

Community act? i put that question to two professors, james peterson, direct of africana studies and victoria soto, professor the university of texas and i hope a future regular on the show. james, is affirmative action unfair to asian students? >> no, ronan, the data doesn't bear that out. what you're seeing with the piece of legislation designed to put affirmative action back in place for college admissions has overturned prop tool 9 from 1996, has been used as a wedge issue in communities of color. important lobbyist groups have worked with chinese american community to sort of get out and ...