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Out. v.a. hospitals still function. >> it's important for people. >> i think that's fair. >> there are dislocations and it costs money. >> inconveniences for people, too. peter, you covered, i think, 2013 you were in d.c. covering the last shutdown. let's be clear, too, about what continues and what does not. as dave hawpy, former chief of staff to paul ryan pointed out, social security checks are going to go out, v.a. hospitals are still open, federal prisons are still open. robert mueller's investigation still continues on. there are people who stay home, including cdc personnel dealing with...

The question is why the circumstances are any different here this time around and what exactly this president is doing beyond phone calls to really try to put this together. >> peter, i'm going to do the real annoying thing where i ask you to hang out for a couple of minutes to join us while we wait for the briefing to begin, because i want to bring in while we wait shanna and nancy and dave, who are with me. i'd like you to pick up on what peter mentioned, the impact on actual people's lives, right, especially in washington, northern virginia, maryland. i get people don't care what happens in...

>> it is worth noting back in 2013 when the government shut down, then-businessman trump said that former president obama beared responsibility because he's the president. so, it's that type of past rhetoric that's giving officials here some jitters. and, of course, we'll get to ask them about this during that briefing that's going to take place in a half hour from now, hallie. >> i'll be seeing either you or one of our colleagues at the white house in about 25 minutes from the briefing room. kristen, thank you for a very busy morning. i want to bring in dave hawpy, along with our monster pane...

The house, they have to vote again. we saw the house vote last night to pass this. the other thing that's going on right now, there's an 11:30 meeting we now know with the so-called number twos. that is the immigration group that's been negotiating, the number two in each chamber from each party. the democrats involved in those talks have basically described them as a nonstarter, they are going nowhere, they say, but that is where the white house is putting their chips at the moment, so possible we could see something come out of that that would let democrats claim, okay, we found a deal on da...

Shutdown, so if the irs stopped working, how do you implement your policy? >> hallie, it's why we don't want the government shutdown, why we don't want the irs not to have workers here. we are trying to keep it open so americans can get the tax relief. the omb director is the one that oversees that. >> i know you're getting anxious to get inside and i appreciate you getting with us. >> i'd love to stay with you, hallie. >> tell us one thing donald trump is doing today to show leadership on this. is he picking up the phone, is he going to the hill? >> yes, he'll be on the phone with members abo...