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About often. but in terms of the substance, in terms of his view of criminal justice reform, we've talked a lot about how his support for the 1994 crime bill has been a lienlt for him in the campaign. but they talked throughout this event tonight the importance of one aspect of that legislation. that is community policing. he talked about how that was so critical to reestablishing trust between communities of color and law enforce. but how unfortunately because of its success, because of the fwa fact that violent crime, a lot of municipalities went away from community policing. so it was an op...

African-americans. 81% that president trump has made things worse for african-americans. so you have this one episode up against all of his campaign, his record, his leading chance of -- his attacks about elijah cummings. his talk about s-hole countries. african-american voters i think have very much made up their minds and the suggestion that somehow he's going to turn things around by this criminal justice bill, i think is extraordinarily naive and by the way, this is a huge problem for republicans who have tried for decades to have outreach to the african-americ african-american community a...

And what he's done historically against this community? >> i think the -- we have to realize that to be a successful legislature -- legislator -- you have to get bills passed. and if we want to get bipartisan criminal justice reform done in the united states, you have to reach beyond the aisle -- on the other side of the aisle in order to get that done. and there is an actual chance during -- as we approach the lame duck session of president trump's presidency, we still have a chance to get a second iteration of this criminal justice bill done. he's expressed interest in getting it done. there...