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Play? >> well, at a time when things continue to deteriorate in iraq, it is all the more important that our foreign policy be very clear and have no ambiguity as to what our goals are, and unfortunately, the president's policies at best are timid and fractured which if you -- msnbc even did a story last week given the disapproval of the president on foreign policy, could it cause democrats races this fall? certainly is hard for him to rally his support when people don't know what his policy even is and timid and people don't understand it. for example, when he talked about sending in combat tr...

Arms o soldiers of the islamic state and fight, fight! joining me now, nbc news chief correspondent richard engel of baghdad and andrew linkman, analyst and spent over 30 years at the cia working on some of the issues, ro del moladu and also david anvela president of go pac. thank you all for coming. richard, let's start with the recording. does this give us new information? >> it doesn't give us much new information but i think it gives us a characterization of the organization. baghdadi doesn't consider himself the leader of isis anymore. he considers himself the caliph leading a caliphate a...

See that as a code word of drawn back into a long-term conflict in iraq and i think that's probably where you see the partisan divide as to the if i los tif i of using the might to use and stayed in iraq and that we should have troops and not just a couple hundred troops but a few thousand troops there and that we're going to be at war always with al qaeda, whether it's isis and so forth. you see more on the democratic side a nuanced approach of once again wanting to maybe find political answers to these problems. >> all right. well, thank you, richard, stay safe out. david and rodel, thank yo...