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So much. joining us now, four people, an array of titles but fantastic each and every one. david challion, steve bannon will not appear before the grand jury though striking a deal with a special counsel's office he will submit to question. a substantive difference, he will likely have a lawyer in the room. if he lies he's still in big, big trouble. what are the political implications here? >> there's nothing not serious about sitting down with an interview with the special prosecutor. do you remember back when steve bannon was publicly saying i don't need a lawyer. i'm not part of this thing ...

Senate, it's on us to deal with it and shame on us if we don't. he said this alone should be a source of great shame for us in this body, especially for those of us in the president's party. >> absolutely interesting, call to arms and language you don't typically hear a sitting senator used to describe his colleagues to point at them and say this is on us, this is on you. and it especially has resonance because jeff flake isn't going to be here after this congress because he's retiring from congress, not running for re-election. but the other senators who he was speaking to, many of them will ...

A right to ask for what they want for that vote. yes, momentarily blip, but it would very much surprise me if marco rubio is not a yes vote at the end of the day. >> that's 100% right. look, he's trying to get something so he can say, i went, you know, he can go to his constituents and say, the child tax credit, the refund wasn't high enough. >> the thing is, to david's point, every senator matters, every senator becomes his own island that he can negotiate, and come january, they will have even less wiggle room with doug jones coming in place of luther strange. so this is why people say oh, i...

Math, wolf. i mean, this is not the house. in the house they can lose 20 -- now we've seen problems with that too, the first health care vote they took they couldn't get passed, but they could lose 20 people and give people passes. you really can't here. so even though you have people who are -- they expect people db susan collins, lisa murkowski, jeff flake, people who have been difficult for them in the past, rand paul, they expect these people to vote, it's still not easy. i think ultimately they will get it done. i always defer to dana, especially on congressional stuff, they believe it's ...

Votes to pass tax cuts. just a while ago, president trump told reporters he feels very sure republican senator marco rubio will be there and support the bill. even though the senator says he's a no vote until the lawmakers increase the child tax credit. let's bring in our political specialistle to discuss, so david challion, it looks tense for the republicans, how does it look for you? >> first of all, just hearing donald trump praise marco rubio as a great guy is a little -- after that primary season. but, wolf, i would say, marco rubio's not going to be the guy that is going to scuttle the r...