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Have thomas roberts with us as well, chuck, let's go big pick. what are we looking at here? david ignacious talks about a moral choice to have our country. i don't think we have a choice, this is one issue. do which everybody get one? it seems like lawmakers who are shocked today might have known about a lot of what was going on. are we looking at war crimes? torture? possible prosecution? >> that's my next question. it's not a question for dianne feinstein, do you want the justice to look into this? what's next the fallout from this i think is north america is for better for worse are probabl...

Pakistan and they're driving around an al qaeda site and they look at the profile or the signature of a terrorist, ten they can be telling you without knowing exactly who they are or what they've done. >> nevada? >> from nevada. it is a program cloakled in secrecy, a program where we don't know a lot of details about it. a program where there is claims it's totally perfect and totally effective. we don't know how effective it is, but it's a program. if in four years or three years, we have a few way of looking at the program, are we going to then tear apart all the people involved in it. >> th...

The well. the case offer thinks he has a social contract. not with the administration, but with the nation. when things like this happen, david ignacious made reference to this, when things leak this happens, the cia case officer happens, nobody thinks, they got my back. at some point in the future, we're going to need these officers to do something or we will go to these officer and say, well, what can you do? that young kid in the back row after having watch this go on, he will be a little reluctant to raise his right hand and say, you know, i have been thinking here, it's a little edgy, tha...

I could -- sexual abecause but also injuries and death. in this report, there appears to be far more injuries than you indicated in your testimony and there were at least two deaths. so i go es the question is, sir who is telling the truth? >> well, i was telling the truth. i was describing the program that was in existence at the time i viewed the testimony. the program that had i think at that time 97 people in its custody. the two deaths, although they happened in cia custody were not in the zrims. nafbl, i told the members the reason we started the program i was telling them about is becau...

David ignacious, had an interesting, frightening thought experiment he put forward on "morning joe." take a listen. >> i think it is useful to ask the reverse question. suppose he hadn't been released and it is a year from now. and american troops are getting ready to come home. you have this american sitting there in, ever more frequent propaganda videos from the tal -- taliban, the pressure on the president to act would be enormous. think about the alternative. >> michael, that was tuesday. isn't that a self-evident point that the president would have been under similar fury from opponents h...