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Air attack. you'd have to be prepared to defend american soldiers' lives on that border which requires all kinds of additional -- >> has any war ever been easier than we thought it would be? >> no, never. >> that's right. that's all i want to know. it's always an underestimation. thank you, david. i respect you a lot. thank you, david corn, david ignacious. anyway, we've had enough bushes as president. what a great line. how about the clintons? how about the kennedys? how about the cuomos? do we still like political dynasties? some people like political dynasties. plus, congress steps in t...

It's, in a sense, not in our interest for this to end suddenly tomorrow with assad going, because the opposition really isn't strong -- the moderate opposition isn't strong enough. you're creating an iraq-like vacuum, and the jihadists are the strongest fighters. three or four months from now, that's not going to be true. on senator mccain's argument you can do a no-fly zone easily, i'm told by u.s. officials that's just not so. you'd have to move the patriot batteries that are in turkey almost to the border. they'd be vulnerable to syrian air attack. you'd have to be prepared to defend americ...

Strength. the neocon babble. let's have a muscular foreign policy. all the metaphors for war that has us stuck once again in a country whose name we dare not pronounce a decade later. i spent all day yesterday at the george w. bush library. not once did i hear the word iraq. not once. if this crowd is proud of the wars they pushed, why are they afraid to remind us of the last one or even pronounce the word? david cornyn for "mother jones" magazine and david ignacious. you came back from the middle east, sir. what is happening? are we going into this war? syria? >> i think the first thing to sa...

Syrian government to utilize chemical weapons on its people crosses a line that will change my calculous and how the united states approaches these issues. so, you know, this is not an on or off switch. this is an ongoing challenge that all of us have to be concerned about. >> david, if the government of syria, if the assad regime were using chemical weapons consistently or in any way as part of a strategic effort to save themselves, wouldn't there be a debate? why is it so fleeting, this evidence? if this is part of shatheir strategy like we used in world war i. if they're being used, why is ...

Veto and have a formal u.n. action. fine. if it's a u.n. action. if it's a u.n. action. short of that, david, what within quay can we do? >> the u.n. action would be for a negotiated political transition. the russians would finally say, yes, we agree, bashar al assad must go. then the mechanisms that have been prepared by former secretary general kofi annan would go forward. >> would they take the assad family to russia? >> they might. that's been discussed in the past. on the question that you ask, if the russians refused to support a negotiated settlele, the u.s. is going to have to take act...