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interference case. that date, august 5th, 2024. now that date would be stunning on its own or. it's just three months before election day. but d. a. willis asking for an august 4th trial date today is even more of a big deal when you consider that she just said this on tuesday. >> i believe in that case there will be a trial. i believe the trial will take many months. i don't expect that we will conclude until the winter or the very early part of 2025. >> trump's legal team promptly filed its own motion opposing that august 5th trial date. we have no idea how the judge will rule here...

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President. under the constitution i had no right to change the outcome of our election. and kamala harris will have no right to overturn the election when we beat them in 24. >> david philander is a journal reporting today and the gop plateauing against donald trump. nationally syndicated columnists of the bulwark. both join me now. let me start with the political ramifications. pence is walking this really truly almost comically difficult tightrope. the guy, he wanted his mob to lynch me, i loved everything we did together until that part, which i'm not a fan of, but will agree to disagree on...

Tracks going. pence advisors were incensed but disclosure of impending surge last we complain that remnant really can details to pressure them. back and forth doj an fbi on this other classified documents track. i don't think what that amounts to in terms of, in terms of pence people. >> now, it's fine, is that a dog back? there it seems like a nice dog. >> yeah, it's a dog, sorry. >> it does seem like there's some tension between them and doj. now gonna have to figure out what their next move is. that's going to be a legal one, or as a political one as harry litman was saying. >> if you don't...