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Much there in new jersey. let's discuss all of this now with my panel. julian seltzer is a professor at princeton university. david rode is a cnn global affairs analyst and online news director for the "new yorker" and david swerdling is a reporter for the "washington post." president trump is heading abroad while his administration is reeling from a tumultuous week in washington. i want you all to listen to the iraqi prime minister's view of the u.s. >> the overall leadership in the world and america needs to, the americans need to speed up their to get back to their role as an international ...

For the full cost of such a wall, okay? we're going to have the wall. mexico's going to pay for the wall. >> okay. so let's talk about this. i'm joined by cnn political commentator david swerdling, and jackie kucinich. welcome to both of you. david, should taxpayers be surprised that they will foot the bill for mr. trump's wall at least for now? >> i don't think people should be too surprised, carol. and i don't think that this is going to be the issue that sort of trips up president trump, even though during the campaign he did backtrack and flip-flop on a variety of issues. when it came to b...

Watching how you do this and if you don't do it the way i like, i'm going to consider firing you. >> david, that's not intimidation? >> that's obstruction of justice. >> all right. go ahead, david. >> i'm sorry. i apologize for interrupting. >> no, go ahead. >> that's wrong. that's not the president's job. it's improper. this is an independent investigation. he should let it follow its course. and he might be exonerated. if he would let it follow its course, it might work for him, if he would show more patience. this message that he's going to intimidate the special counsel, you know, it's an ...