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Because yes, we don't have our own separate tea party, but i do think we have a much better, organized progressive left infrastructure that does put more pressure on members of congress than i think they get credit for. i personally have seen it happen, so i mean -- >> yeah, there are amazing people putting a lot of pressure -- >> in 1992, that didn't exist. >> i think that is true. that is true. you're absolutely right. when we talk about there is this whole elizabeth warren third way battle that's shaping up -- >> right. >> and it felt like this throwback battle, right? david, those are the ...

>> terrible, awful bill and right now i think why the elizabeth warrens are having momentum is because you have institutions like the progressive change, like the working families party, like a number of other institutions. >> let me build on what david's saying here, because the dynamic here is different insofar as talking about getting policies through with bankruptcy, it's something transactional. liberals have a disadvantage where they're looking for government to do things, actually in some ways. and the pccc is one of those groups that does not have the same sort of stakes. >> right. >> ...