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Disclosing details from it or even eluding to the details. in an e-mail to staff last night, the editor and chief defended the move writing this, publishing this document was not an easy or simple call, publishing this dossier reflects how we see the job of reporters in 2017. full disclosure, nbc universal, which is the parent company of nbc and msnbc is an investor in buzzfeed. it's important to note that our news operations are independent of each other. ben smith joins me now. ben, welcome, sir. >> thanks for having me on, chuck. >> okay. i want you to explain this sentence, publishing this...

To be able to doubt that. >> i understand this and the transparency, transparency can turn into a crutch to turn into laziness. i mean, the job of the reporters is we're doing our best to find truth. okay. at the end of the day, it's the best truth we can have. and you are -- >> we had an unlimited -- >> you made a knowing decision to put out an untruth. >> if we -- >> or at least something you hadn't proven true yet. >> if we got that -- if there had not been a public conversation about secret documents that no one was allowed to see, we would have continued as i think we did and other compet...

Through merit have risen to the to want instead of through the nepotism and sometimes luck of politics. i won't say we all got here by luck, but i will say it's interesting, it'll be interesting to have some people at the top echelons of government that through a 40-year career got to the very top. i think that'll be interesting. >> senator rand paul, i'm leaving it there. always interesting. appreciate you talking to share your crew views. >> thank you. and happy post-festivus. buzzfeed comes under fire for relesion explosive and unverified information about his supposed dealings with russi...

We're going speak with the ed nor chief of buzzfeed which made the controversial decision to publish the dose yay in full even as buzzfeed themselves and others noted how unverified and unvetted it was. their move is ignited a media fire storm. we'll deal with that. that's engaged the trump transition and the kremlin say it's considering a lawsuit. but folks, the toothpaste is already out of the tube. the office of the presidency has a serious credibility problem. it appears as if the incoming president and his intelligence agencies are in open warfare and american small democratic institution...

And protect american interests not corporate interests. the fact that buzzfeed and cnn made the decision to run with this unsubstantiated claim is a sad and pathetic attempt to get clicks. >> as far as buzzfeed, which is a failing pile of garbage, writing it, i think they're going to suffer the consequences. they already are. >> welcome back to mpt daily, that was the president-elect as well as the president-elect's white house press secretary, lashing out at buzzfeed after it published a dossier that had been circulating among reporters and government officials since the summer. and as we r...