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their money through the chinese state banking system. we need to be able to say that in public. if we do, perhaps we have the makings of a solution. but until we actually will be willing to acknowledge who is behind these fentanyl gangs and if the communist party supports them, we'll have no chance of having any enduring solution. de enduring solution. >> todd: we always look for deliverables. according to the underlying meeting between the foreign minister and blinken, here's what the white house is saying with "the washington post." after seven and a half hours of talks between blinken and kim yang to exchange high-level exchanges after months of a diplomatic freeze. are you as optimistic with the results of this meeting as blinken, "the washington post," and the washington establishment seem to be or do you think at the end of the day, tony blinken

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