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That president putin will make a choice not to engage in diplomacy, but i also heard the spokesman say there would be rounds of discussion. so i'm not sure that choice has been made yet, and again, i would say it's a stark choice for russia. they can engage in diplomacy, de-escalate, ensure that tensions are reduced and make some real progress on issues of concern to them. or they can take a path of invasion, coercion, subversion. who knows what they will do, and they will face very steep, very grave costs to russia. i hope they choose the former. it's in their interest to do so. >> can there ...

Disagreement and the key to answering what happens next is, what are those areas of disagreement? because putin is looking for this absolute clarity about nato's intentions for ukraine. you know, president biden laid out the scenario of de-escalate, and we can continue and have a productive diplomatic track. that diplomatic track is open, but the entry level for that is de-escalation. and the alternative to de-escalation is -- is sanctions. military, economic, financial. that's the kremlin's readout and they heard that message loud and clear. putin's response to that was, okay. you put those s...

Themselves. thirdly, it will mean an expansion of the capacity of nato to defend its territory further in the east, including with us troops. so that's message number one. message number two is there's another way. de—escalate, find another way. de—escalate, find a way to remove your troops that you have, let's engage in diplomacy. there is a first round of diplomacy between the two countries scheduled for january ten, then the nato russia council meeting two days later. any meeting of the organisation of security cooperation in europe with all european countries and having a serious discu...

There are more details on the stunning revelation from the u.k. government as they try to de escalate russia's aggression in ukraine. "new york times" report that saturday that the kremlin was developing plans to install a pro-russian leader in ukraine and already choeszen a potential candidate as vladimir putin weighs whether to order the russian forces amassed on ukraine's border to attack. quote, the information being released today shines a light on the extent of russian activity designed to subvert ukraine and an insight. kremlin thinking. that is liz trusk who said that in a statement....

Before these talks even started. now we're hearing threats from the head of the russian delegation who told reporters after that meeting at nato today, quote, we'll take all necessary measures to fend off the threat by military means if it does not work out with political means. jake, who is threatening whom? it's not that ukraine is poised on the border with russia, about to invade them. it's the other way around. russia has 100,000 troops looking like they're about to invade ukraine. so the head of the u.s. delegation, deputy secretary of state wendy sherman told me there is no sign that aft...