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Force him to want an off ramp the way that john f. kennedy forced khrushchev to look for an off ramp. >> but khrushchev acted you believed greater restraint. there was a degree of institutions in the soviet union. you had a degree of collective leadership. we have a personalization and a de-institutionalization of that country, which makes it frightening that one man has so much power. >> but we shouldn't be searching for off ramps for putin, we should be maintaining pressure and let him look for the off ramps. >> absolutely. neither side is prepared to accept half a loaf. what we want to do i...

>> i would agree, but >> but khrushchev acted you believed greater restraint. there was a degree of institutions in the soviet union. you had a degree of collective leadership. we have a personalization and a de-institutionalization of that country, which makes it frightening that one man has so much power. >> but we shouldn't be searching be offramps for putin? we should be maintaining pressure and let him look for the off-ramps? >> absolutely. neither side is prepared to accept half a loaf. what we want to do is create the conditions for diplomacy rather than go directly into diplomacy. st...

He's going to be minority. >> on tv more than ever. >> this is a party guess pratt for leadership. i think it was real. i don't think it gives you the impression of a person the country wants as a leader. trump is a bully. he took a shot, i wouldn't have done it. >> jeremy, you were talking about de-institutionalization which is a big word, take down structures of government, fake news, if you believe it, fake tears. >> i think about my mentor leon panetta whose parents immigrated from italy through ellis island. he always said, secretary panetta said they could never have imagined their son w...