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Steve, it sounds like we have a ticket, rand paul and bernie sanders. >> there you go. rand paul to make something interesting is he's reaching the richard nixon/henry kissinger ring and saying there are costs and benefits in the things the united states does. we should be realistic about them, we should take account of them. that's what nixonian practicalitity and foreign policy was about. it was an interesting subtle purge, if you will, of neoconservative thinking in the republican party, which is what rand paul is trying to get going. >> and joy reid, this clearly -- i mean, he is already a...

Of the hawks in our party? i mean imagine that line on the debate stage. we've seen candidates get booed on those republican debate edges. this would be one of them, it sounds like. >> this is not a growth strategy for a republican candidate for president, but its has the -- of being true. the reality is everyone who has looked at the foreign policy of the bush administration is clear on the fact that it was, a, the worst foreign policy decision and disaster in modern american history and that it produced isis. isis grew up in the prison camps we were running in prisons in iraq. that's just fa...