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Bush/cheney era which got us into this war in iraq in the first place which then developed into the can of worms that we're trying to deal with right now. >> we're joined now by steve, an msnbc editor. steve, it sounds like we have a ticket, rand paul and bernie sanders. >> there you go. rand paul to make something interesting is he's reaching the richard nixon/henry kissinger ring and saying there are costs and benefits in the things the united states does. we should be realistic about them, we should take account of them. that's what nixonian practicalitity and foreign policy was about. it w...

Steve, it sounds like we have a ticket, rand paul and bernie sanders. >> there you go. rand paul to make something interesting is he's reaching the richard nixon/henry kissinger ring and saying there are costs and benefits in the things the united states does. we should be realistic about them, we should take account of them. that's what nixonian practicalitity and foreign policy was about. it was an interesting subtle purge, if you will, of neoconservative thinking in the republican party, which is what rand paul is trying to get going. >> and joy reid, this clearly -- i mean, he is already a...