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I think what you will find come this thursday, say whatever you want about paul ryan about being a young gun, him being arch conservative. he's very specific and smart. what we will probably see is a conversation about the budget plan. and a conversation about the wars in iraq and afghanistan in the context of the economy and how we pay for them or didn't pay for them. >> it's funny that you point out that this should be substantive. the kind of debate that we saw last week is what i thought we'd see from the vps, low key. it feels like we have to be -- we using our boxing metaphor because it'...

ties to the terrorist group in afghanistan. top officials have indicated this week that there is evidence that pakistan's intelligence agency is supporting what is called the haqqani network and now going one step further saying they believe that the support is coming from the agencies' highest ranks. our pentagon correspondent barbara starr is standing by with the latest. barbara, a lot at stake right now, and what are the officials saying? >> well, wolf, pakistan is supposed to be one of the u.s.'s closest allies in the war of terror and the united states gives them billions of dol...