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He said that there were no -- that there was no study, no statistics that show increased costs in ryan one in the first medicare proposal which the congressional budget office says is not the case. ryan two is another issue. they were debating ryan one. do you think this is going to be a problem with seniors and the vote in florida and other key states? >> i don't think so. i think the romney ticket is winning on that issue and it's just uncontested that the administration takes money out of medicare, $700 billion to pay for obama care. you know, seniors understand that medicare needs to be re...

Case on medicare. my story in time focuses on whether the ryan plan's proposal for medicare are going to be a problem in a state like florida and other swing states. i thought biden got the best of the argument. ryan i've seen him give better pren traces trying to explain why medicare has been saved in his view and didn't see him at his best. >> they focused -- biden cleverly focused on ryan one which is not the romney endorsed plan, and which is -- >> the $6400 number not really accurate. >> he could have said we've moved on from that and refined that. could have come up with a way of explain...